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Mein neues Staudenbeet (Gelesen 206025 mal)

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moreno
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Re: Mein neues Staudenbeet

moreno » Antwort #735 am:

Hi pearl :)If it had been easy I wouldn’t have asked here ;DanywayI don’t want to recreate The Gardens of Babylon but only a few square meters that with a good impact since they are located next to the entrance of the house.Maintenance, any surplus irrigation, failures and correction of errors are not a problem (I grow for the heck of it)One thing is sure, however, I do not want a desert Sedum & co. with gray pebbles 8)My project is definitely full of wrong plants (Paeonia, as you rightly observed, will probably have some problems) but, for example, Anemone Japonica has been thriving for years in that position, by the way just where the soil is less thick, the same thing concerning the Baptisia and, believe it or not, even the Veronicastrum. On the other hand, experiences with Helictotrichon, Santolina and other things like that were negative.Probably, in my case, the thinness of the substrate is balanced by its good water retention (poor drainage) and the fact that it rains a lot here (An average of at least 1500 mm per year).The depth of the root system is also a good point, I wonder how far you push the adaptability of some plants to expand their roots horizontally to compensate the inability to go deep.So as I understand it, the main problem would be the 'Beetstauden' mentioned by Sarastro, among other things; of his interesting list I must unfortunately reject Buxus (cydalima perspectalis here is a scourge) Centranthus ruber (it disseminates outrageously here) and Acanthus (always slumped in full sun)I'm looking for replacements for Echinacea-Helenium-Aster NA and large ornamental grasses ... …Achnatherum seems to work well in Wien-Schönbrunn :D ;D 8)
Immer noch meine ich, dass dieses Thema einen eigenen Faden verdient!
I'm not surely the one who will open it, I already regret having opened this!Italian, German, English ... my head is spinning, sorry ::) :P :D
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pearl » Antwort #736 am:

"roots horizontally" yes. Some plants are good in doing so. They are called "Mattenpflanzen" growing on gravel and on top of rocks. I will look for a list in an old but wonderful catalog from Hans Götz, Staudenkulturen in Schiltach. Ultimately, I think, this can not be solved theoretically. In that situation you can do nothing else than experimenting. Add what ever you like and substract what ever didn't comfort you.
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Ruby » Antwort #737 am:

Neulich sah ich Bilder von Pflanzenwurzeln. Ein ehrgeiziges amerikanisches Projekt. Die unterirdische Perspektive führt jedem Betrachter vor Augen welchen gewaltigen Wurzelraum Pflanzen einnehmen und zum Überleben brauchen. Gräser reichen mit ihren Wurzeln 3 mal so tief wie ihre oberirdischen grünen Halme in die Erde.
pearl, das habe ich auch gesehen, war das in "Planting in a post-wild world"? Fantastisch :Dmoreno, trial & error :P
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pearl » Antwort #738 am:

nein, das war ein Projekt für das ein paar Meter tief das Erdreich ausgehoben wurde und die Bodenprofile freigelegt, dann wurden die Pflanzen kompliziert so präpariert, dass man nur das Wurzelwerk gesehen hat, ohne Erde. Kompliziertes Verfahren. Hoch auflösende Bilder, die nebeneinander gelegt dann den gesamten Raum, den eine Pflanze unter und über der Erde einnimmt, zu machen.
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pearl » Antwort #739 am:

ich habs! National Geographic 15. Oktober 2015. Digging Deep Reveals the Intricate World of Roots.
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pearl » Antwort #740 am:

Richard Hansen 3.2.2 Blumenmatten:Adonis vernalisAnemone sylvestrisAnthericum Aster amellusAsterliosyrisCampanula sarmaticaCarlina acaulisDianthus carthusanorumFilipendula hexapetalaGentiana cruciataGentiana vernaGlobularia punctataHelianthemum ArtenHippocrepis comosaINula ensifoliaInula hirtaInula salicinaLinum perennePhyteuma orbicularePotentilla albaPulsatilla vulgarisRanunculus bulbosusStachys niveaVeronica spicataVeronica teuriumGräser:Briza mediaCarex flaccaCarex humilisCarex montanaFestuca amethystinaPhleum phleoidesStipa ArtenSträucher:Cytisus austriacusCytisus supinusCytisus ratisbonensisDaphne cneorum
“I love science, and it pains me to think that so many are terrified of the subject or feel that choosing science means you cannot also choose compassion, or the arts, or be awed by nature. Science is not meant to cure us of mystery, but to reinvent and reinvigorate it.”

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pearl » Antwort #741 am:

Götz Staudengärtnerei Schiltach Katalog von 1997Felssteppe auf frischem Boden, FS2 soAcaena ArtenAlchemilla erytrhopodaAndrosaceCampanulas DynoglossumDryasErius alpinus 'Dr. Hähnle'Gentiana septemfida Geum montanumHieracium villosumHorminum pyrenaicumVeronica spicataFarne:Polystichum aculeatumGräser:Festuca alpinaSesleria heuffelianaFS2 hs:Orostachys spinosusLebensbereich FS2-3Polygonum affine SortenFarne:Asplenium scolopendriumGräser:Carex buchananii
“I love science, and it pains me to think that so many are terrified of the subject or feel that choosing science means you cannot also choose compassion, or the arts, or be awed by nature. Science is not meant to cure us of mystery, but to reinvent and reinvigorate it.”

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pearl » Antwort #742 am:

Lebensbereich MattenMatten mit frischem Boden sind ein Eldorado für seltene Sammlerstauden. M2:Gentiana acaulisGentiana cruciataGentiana farreriGentiana septemfidaPrimula juliaePrimula vialiiM2-3Prmula alpicolaPrimula capitata subsp. mooreanaPrimula clusianaPrimula farinosa
“I love science, and it pains me to think that so many are terrified of the subject or feel that choosing science means you cannot also choose compassion, or the arts, or be awed by nature. Science is not meant to cure us of mystery, but to reinvent and reinvigorate it.”

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pearl » Antwort #743 am:

mit den Gräsern Carex flaccaCarex humilisCarex montanaFestuca amethystinahabe ich auf dem "Balkanhügel", sommertrockene Felssteppe, gute Erfahrungen gemacht. Festuca gautieri 'Pic Carlit' weiß noch nicht so recht.Festuca mairei probiere ich gerade am sommertrockenen Hang aus. Eragrostis curvula Sorten lohnen sich auch auszuprobieren.
“I love science, and it pains me to think that so many are terrified of the subject or feel that choosing science means you cannot also choose compassion, or the arts, or be awed by nature. Science is not meant to cure us of mystery, but to reinvent and reinvigorate it.”

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moreno » Antwort #744 am:

Danke pearl und Ruby :)
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